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two-time senator from Pennsylvania Rick Santorum (APPLAUSE) HEMMER: Two-time Two-time governor of the State of Louisiana Acting Governor Bobby Jindal HEMMER: So you will hear from all 17 candidates tonight and you’ll meet seven of them right now starting with three-time governor in the state of Texas Rick Perry (APPLAUSE) MACCALLUM: Also two-time senator from Pennsylvania Rick Santorum (APPLAUSE) HEMMER: Two-time Two-time governor of the State of Louisiana Acting Governor Bobby Jindal (APPLAUSE) MACCALLUM: Businesswoman and former CEO of Hewlett-Packard Carly Fiorina (APPLAUSE) HEMMER: The senior senator from South Carolina Lindsey Graham (APPLAUSE) MACCALLUM: Former three-term governor of New York George Pataki (APPLAUSE) HEMMER: And former Virginia governor Jim Gilmore MACCALLUM: Now this debate will last one hour We’re going to have four commercial breaks MACCALLUM: Each candidate will have one minute to anwer each question and 30 seconds for rebuttal If you run out of time you’re going to hear this OK HEMMER: Gentle MACCALLUM: Everybody got the bell HEMMER: Wait til you hear what the others are going to get later huh MACCALLUM: Exactly (LAUGHTER) HEMMER: One year from now a Republican nominee will be standing on this stage in this very same arena That person is in Cleveland today So let’s get started First topic electability First question to Governor Perry from Texas Welcome Governor PERRY: It’s good to be with you HEMMER: You were in charge of the 12th largest economy in the world and you recently said that four years ago you weren’t ready for this job HEMMER: Why should someone vote for you now PERRY: After those four years of looking back and being prepared the preparation to be the most powerful individual in the world requires an extraordinary amount of work: not just having been the governor of the 12th largest economy in the world which I might add we added 15 million jobs during that period of time over that 2007 through 2014 period a period when America was going through the most deep recession it had been through since the Great Depression I think Americans want someone to have a track record of showing them how to get this country back on record someone who will stand up and every day project that best days of America are in front of us And I will assure you as the governor of the state of Texas and as those last four years have shown me the preparation to be ready to stand on this stage and talk about those monetary policies those domestic policies and those foreign policies Americans are going to see that I am ready to be that individual HEMMER: Thank you Governor MACCALLUM: Now we go to Carly Fiorina Carly you were CEO of Hewlett-Packard You ran for Senate and lost in California in 2010 This week you said “Margaret Thatcher was not content to manage a great nation in decline and neither am I” Given your current standings in the polls is the Iron Lady comparison a stretch FIORINA: Well I would begin by reminding people that at this point in previous presidential elections Jimmy Carter couldn’t win Ronald Reagan couldn’t win Bill Clinton couldn’t win and neither could’ve Barack Obama I started as a secretary and became ultimately the chief executive of the largest technology company in the world almost $90 billion in over 150 countries I know personally how extraordinary and unique this nation is I think to be commander in chief in the 21st century requires someone who understands how the economy works someone who understands how the world works and who’s in it; I know more world leaders on the stage today than anyone running with the possible exception of Hillary Clinton; understands bureaucracies how to cut them down to size and hold them accountable; and understands technology which is a tool but it’s also a weapon that’s being used against us Most importantly I think I understand leadership which sometimes requires a tough call in a tough time But mostly the highest calling of leadership is to challenge the status-quo and unlock the potential of others We need a leader who will lead the resurgence of this great nation and unlock its potential once again Thank you HEMMER: Senator Santorum you won the Iowa caucus four years ago and 10 other states But you failed to beat Mitt Romney for the nomination And no one here tonight is going to question your conviction or your love for country But has your moment passed Senator SANTORUM: You know we didn’t start out four years ago at the top of the heap We were behind where we were today But we stuck to our message We stuck to the fact that Americans are tired of Washington corporate interests and Democrats who are interested in just politics and power and they’re looking for someone who’s going to fight for them; looking for someone who’s going to grow manufacturing sector of our economy so those 74 percent of Americans who don’t have a college degree have a chance to rise again Someone who’s going to stand up and be very clear with our enemies as to the lines their going to draw and stand with them I’ve got a track record The reason I did so well last time is not just because of the vision it’s because I have a track record in Washington DC of getting things done Iran sanctions — the Iran sanctions that brought them to the table those are sanctions that we put in place when I was in the United States Senate and a whole host of other things that put me in a position of saying I not only have a great vision but I can govern effectively in Washington HEMMER: Thank you Senator MACCALLUM: Governor Jindal you’re one of two sitting governors on the stage tonight But your approval numbers at home are in the mid 30s at this point In a recent poll that showed you in a head-to- head against Hillary Clinton in Louisiana she beat you by several points So if the people of Louisiana are not satisfied what makes you think that the people of this nation would be JINDAL: Well first of all thank you all for having us You know I won two record elections Last time I was elected governor won a record margin in my state Martha we got a lot of politicians that will kiss babies cut ribbons do whatever it takes to be popular That’s not why I ran for office I ran for office to make the generational changes in Louisiana We’ve cut 26 percent of our budget We have 30000 fewer state bureaucrats than the day I took office I don’t think anybody has cut that much government anywhere at any time As a result eight credit upgrades; as a result a top ten state for private sector job creation And we fought for statewide school choice where the dollars follow the child instead of the child following the dollars We’ve been the most pro-life state six years in a row My point is this: I won two landslide elections I made big changes I think our country is tired of the politicians who simply read the polls and fail to lead Both Democrats and Republicans have gotten us in the mess we’re in — $18 trillion of debt a bad deal with Iran we’re not staying with Israel I think the American people are look for real leadership That’s what I’ve done in Louisiana that’s what I’ll do in America HEMMER: Senator Lindsey Graham you worked with Democrats and President Obama when it came to climate change something you know is extremely unpopular with conservative Republicans How can they trust you based on that record GRAHAM: You can trust me to do the following: that when I get on change with Hillary Clinton we won’t be debating about the science we’ll be debating about the solutions In her world cap- and-trade would dominate that we will destroy the economy in the name of helping the environment In my world we’ll focus on energy independence and a clean environment When it comes to fossil fuels we’re going to find more here and use less Over time we’re going to become energy independent I am tired of sending $300 billion overseas to buy oil from people who hate our guts The choice between a weak economy and a strong environment is a false choice that is not the choice I’ll offer America A healthy environment a strong economy and energy independent America — that would be the purpose of my presidency is break the strangle hold that people enjoy on fossil fuels who hate our guts HEMMER: Thank you Senator MACCALLUM: Governor Pataki four years ago this month you called it quits in a race for the presidency in 2012 but now you’re back Mitt Romney declined to run this time because he believed that the party needed new blood Does he have a point PATAKI: I think he means somebody who hasn’t been a career politician and who’s been out of office for awhile I think the last eight years in the private sector have allowed me to see government from the outside and I think that is a positive thing Yes I thought about running four years ago I was ready to lead but I wasn’t ready to run But I look at this country today and I look at how divided we are I look at how politicians are always posturing and issuing sound bites but never solving problems What I did in New York was bring people together an overwhelmingly Democratic state But I was able to get Democrats to support the most conservative sweeping policy changes in any state in America And when I look at Washington today we need to bring us together We need to solve problems we need to rebuild our military so we can stand up to radical Islam we need to get our economy growing much faster by throwing out the corrupt tax code and lowering the rates We have to end crony capitalism in Washington where the lobbyists and the powerful can get tax breaks and tax credits and the American people don’t get laws in their interest I can do that And I can do it regardless of what the makeup of Congress is because I did it in New York state So we need new leadership — yes I will be that new leader MACCALLUM: Thank you Governor From one side of the stage the other — the other Governor Jim Gilmore You were the last person on stage to declare your candidacy You ran for the White House once and lost You ran for the Senate one time and lost You haven’t held public office in 13 years Similar question is it time for new blood GILMORE: I think the times are different now I think the times are much more serious Because Obama and Clinton policies the United States is moving further and further into a decline I want to reverse that decline That’s why I’ve entered this race and I think I have the experience to do it Former elected prosecutor attorney general governor I was elected to all of those offices A person who in fact has a long experience in foreign-policy issues which is different from many of the other governors and prospective governors who are running I was an Army intelligence agent and a veteran during the Cold War assigned to West Germany I was the chairman of the National Commission on Homeland Security and Terrorism for the United States for five years I was a person who has dealt extensively with these homeland security issues I was a governor during the 9/11 attack I understand both of these issues how to build the economy and doing that as a governor who’d built jobs had cut taxes and also a governor who understands foreign-policy and that’s why I entered this race HEMMER: Thank you Governor MACCALLUM: Alright everybody Now to the elephant that is not in the room tonight Donald Trump Let’s take a look at this graphic that shows the huge amount of political chatter that he is driving on Facebook right now some of it good probably some of it bad But he is dominating this conversation Governor Perry you two have been going at it But given the large disparity in your poll numbers he seems to be getting the better of you PERRY: Well when you look at the celebrity of Donald Trump then I think that says a lot about it One thing I like to remind people is back in 2007 Rudy Giuliani was leading the polls for almost a year I’ll suggest a part of that was his celebrity Fred Thompson was the other one a man who had spent a lot of time on that screen I’ve had my issues with Donald Trump I talked about Donald Trump from the standpoint of being an individual who was using his celebrity rather than his conservatism How can you run for the Republican nomination and be for single- payer health care I mean I ask that with all due respect And nobody nobody on either one of these stages has done more than I’ve done and the people of the State of Texas to deal with securing that border We sent our Texas ranger recon teams We sent our parks and wildlife wardens I deployed the National Guard after I stood on the ramp in Dallas Texas and looked the president of the United States in the eye and said “Mr President if you won’t secure the border Texas will” and that’s exactly what we did We need a president that doesn’t just talk a game but a president that’s got real results MACCALLUM: Alright I want to ask that same question because it’s true really of all of you on this stage that like it or not Donald Trump is — there’s a huge disparity between the poll numbers that you have and the poll numbers that he has given also the fact that Rudy Giuliani said he thought that there may be some Reagan qualities to Donald Trump So Carly Fiorina is he getting the better of you FIORINA: Well I don’t know I didn’t get a phone call from Bill Clinton before I jumped in the race Did any of you get a phone call from Bill Clinton I didn’t Maybe it’s because I hadn’t given money to the foundation or donated to his wife’s Senate campaign Here’s the thing that I would ask Donald Trump in all seriousness He is the party’s frontrunner right now and good for him I think he’s tapped into an anger that people feel They’re sick of politics as usual You know whatever your issue your cause the festering problem you hoped would resolved the political class has failed you That’s just a fact and that’s what Donald Trump taps into I would also just say this Since he has changed his mind on amnesty on health care and on abortion I would just ask what are the principles by which he will govern MACCALLUM: Thank you HEMMER: This Saturday August 8th two days from now marks one year since the strikes began against ISIS in Iraq and followed in Syria one month later This week a leading general in the US Marine Corps says “One year later that fight is at a stalemate” Governor Jindal give me one example how your fight against ISIS would be different over there JINDAL: Well to start with unlike President Obama I’ll actually name the enemy that we confront We’ve got a president who cannot bring himself to say the words “radical Islamic terrorism” Now Bill he loves to criticize America apologize for us criticize medieval Christians How can we beat an enemy if our commander-in-chief doesn’t have the moral honesty and clarity to say that Islam has a problem and that problem is radical Islam to say they’ve got to condemn not generic acts of violence but the individual murderers who are committing these acts of violence We’ve got a president who instead says we’re going to change hearts and minds Well you know what Sometimes you win a war by killing murderous evil terrorists We’re going to take the political handcuffs off the military We will arm and train the Kurds We will work with our Sunni allies They know we will be committed to victory We had this failed red line with Assad and it discouraged folks that want to help us on the ground Finally we’ll take off the political handcuffs We’ll go to the Congress This president has gone to Congress and said give me a three-year deadline give me a ban on ground troops I’m going to go to the commanders and say give me a plan to win You can’t send your troops into harm’s way unless you give them every opportunity to be successful HEMMER: And the senator to your right has called for 20000 American troops in Syria and Iraq so far today Senator Graham and I’ll give this question to you Why should the American people after two wars in Iraq sacrifice yet again on a third war GRAHAM: If we don’t stop them over there they are coming here just as sure as I stand here in front of you One thing I want to be clear about tonight If you’re running for president of the United States and you don’t understand that we need more American ground forces in Iraq and that America has to be part of a regional ground force that will go into Syria and destroy ISIL in Syria then you’re not ready to be commander in chief And you’re not serious about destroying ISIL According to the generals that I know and trust this air campaign will not destroy ISIL We need a ground force in Iraq and Syria and America has to be part of that ground force According to the FBI and the director of national intelligence Syria’s becoming a perfect platform to strike our nation I’ve got a very simple strategy as your president against ISIL Whatever it takes as long as it takes to defeat them HEMMER: Senator thank you MACCALLUM: All right Let’s get to our first commercial break There is plenty more to discuss tonight Coming up immigration more on ISIS and homeland security as well as we continue live tonight from Cleveland Ohio (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HEMMER: It is debate night and welcome back to Cleveland Ohio Let’s get back to the questions right now with Martha MACCALLUM: All right Let’s talk about ISIS and the threat to the homeland that we have seen growing in recent months This goes to Governor Pataki Sixty-nine ISIS-inspired terrorists have been arrested in this country in homeland plots and the FBI assures us that there are likely many more to come The president is reluctant to label these terrorists Islamic extremists but you’ve said that you have no problem with that label Then comes the hard part So here’s the question How far are you willing to go to root out this problem here at home Would you put mosques for example potentially under surveillance And keep in mind that conservatives are increasingly concerned in this country with religious liberty PATAKI: Martha religious liberty doesn’t include encouraging a fellow American to engage in violent jihad and kill an American here That is not protected free speech That is not protected religious belief That is like shouting “fire” in a crowded theater and that is illegal and I would do everything in our power not just to go after those who are here who we know who are here before they can radicalize other Americans to carry out attacks and it’s not just the ones they’ve arrested Think back to Garland Texas But for that Texas police officer we could have had a mass murder We have to shut down their internet capability We have to shut down whether or not they’re in prisons preaching or on — in mosques preaching No radical Islam that is allowed to engage in encouraging violence against Americans that is not protected speech Let me just add one thing about ISIS over there We have got to destroy their training camps and recruiting centers I was governor of New York on September 11 I know that we are at greater risk today than at any time since then of another attack We have got to destroy their training camps over there before they can attack us here I don’t agree that we’re going to occupy and spend another decade or a trillion dollars What we need to do is destroy their ability to attack us here over there and then get out You know I have two sons Both served One as a marine officer in Iraq one as an army officer in Afghanistan I do not see — want to see one parent or loved one worrying about getting a call in the middle of the night I would not place one American life at risk unless it was absolutely necessary But to destroy ISIS it is necessary MACCALLUM: All right This question to Carly Fiorina The FBI director Comey says that terrorists can thrive here at home because they go dark and they recruit behind the cyber walls that are built by American companies like Google and Apple Comey says this is a big problem Rand Paul says that the government forcing these companies to bring down those walls would be a big privacy issue and a dangerous way to go on this You’ve been a tech leader in this country Which side are you on FIORINA: Let me say first that it is disturbing that every time one of these home-grown terrorist attacks occurs and as your question points out they are occurring with far too great frequency it turns out we had warning signals It turns out we knew something was wrong It turns out some dot wasn’t connected and so the first thing we have to do is make sure that everyone and every responsible agency is attuned to all of these possibilities and symptoms We even had warnings about the Boston Marathon bombers and yet the dots weren’t connected So we need to get on a different mindset Secondly I certainly support that we need to tear down cyber walls not on a mass basis but on a targeted basis But let me just say that we also need down — to tear down the cyber walls that China is erecting that Russia is erecting FIORINA: We need to be very well aware of the fact that China and Russia are using technology to attack us just as ISIS is using technology to recruit those who would murder American citizens I do not believe that we need to wholesale destroy every American citizen’s privacy in order to go after those that we know are suspect or are — are already a problem But yes there is more collaboration required between private sector companies and the public sector And specifically we know that we could have detected and repelled some of these cyber attacks if that collaboration had been permitted A law has been sitting — languishing sadly on Capitol Hill and has not yet been passed and it would help MACCALLUM: So would you tonight call for Google and Apple to cooperate in these Investigations and let the FBI in where they need to go FIORINA: I absolutely would call on them to collaborate and cooperate yes HEMMER: Excuse me Martha I have not heard the bell just yet so you’re all very well behaved so far Governor Gilmore 30 seconds GILMORE: Well yes indeed I chaired the National Commission on Homeland Security Committee for United States We warned about the 9/11 attack before the 9/11 attack occurred I was the governor during the 9/11 attack when the Pentagon was struck And I’m going to tell you this we need to use the benefit of our law enforcement people across this country combined with our intelligence people across this country We need to use our technological advantages because what we’ve warned of is an international guerrilla movement that threatens this country It’s going to happen in this country there are going to be further attacks We have to be prepared to defend the American people prepare them for a long war stand up for the defense of this country and stand up for the values of this country… HEMMER: Thank you Governor I’ve got to move on to immigration here Senator Santorum you would argue you have one of the tougher positions on illegal immigration in the entire 17 candidate field at the 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